Comments on: The most interesting thing I’ve ever seen in a church

By: Ryan

Ryan — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:31:25 +0000

I wasn’t going to say anything as this appeared to be a somewhat coherent little discussion, but when I read someone say “creationism and evolution can coexist, you just have to acknowledge that God used evolution as a means of creating the world” I kinda have to. There is no piece of evolution that needs any explanation outside of purely scientific sources, nor is there any hole that cannot be explained through purely scientific sources. You can’t just take evolution and declare it was God’s will, that’s the opposite of the meaning of the theory. Evolution as a natural process that did not require supernatural intervention, that can be explained through natural foundations and basic reason. I don’t understand what part is supposed to be facilitated by God, as every part is an inevitably of conditions. If you’re Christian and you believe in evolution, you’re hardly a Christian.

By: qed

qed — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 00:59:18 +0000

I saw this graffiti in the wall of the Gaudi Cathedral in Barcelona:

“Fuck the Pope!
…without condom”

Which all proves that you can find deep truths in churches.

By: Ellie

Ellie — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:16:53 +0000

guys. CHILLLL its totes mgotes a cool rock thingy, but seriously, it is an ammonite. it is not proof that god is real. it is not proof that god is not real. it is an AMMONITE, an interesting sample of the beauty and profoundness of nature and our wonderful planet that we have taken upon ourselves to inhabit and develop and destroy. that imprint of a long dead creature has NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD honestly you all sound absoloutly pshycotic and paranoid. really. wait… why am i even wasting time on this weirdo website….
you guys need to stop worrying so much about religion, jesus pesus.
haha i said jesus….

By: Samad's dad

Samad's dad — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:04:21 +0000

Alhamdullialh, this is the work of the one true God Allah. Busmillah Ar Rehman Ar Raheem!

By: atheistlibertariancriminalasshole

atheistlibertariancriminalasshole — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:00:43 +0000

tim: 1) not believing in something is not the same as believing it IS not. the fact that we cannot disprove the existence of god does not automatically induce us to assume his existence.
2) your references to schrodinger, god as a ‘mathematical entity’, and your use of the word ‘boolean’ are not enough to convince me that you actually have anything intelligent to say.
3) your statement that it is unlikely that our physical universe has a physical beginning is only valid when it’s still thought of as THE UNIverse rather than part of the multiverse. and is evidence of your own presumption.

By: staci

staci — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:59:57 +0000

“I laugh at both atheists, and true believers. No human being has objective evidence proving either case. Everyone is AGNOSTIC…”

This was my thought pattern until I read The God Delusion. “There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can’t prove that there aren’t any, so shouldn’t we be agnostic with respect to fairies?” –Richard Dawkins

Atheism is all about probabilities, my friend, and only denies the existence of SUPERNATURAL gods (often used to deny belief in the judeo-christian god, as judeo-christianity has selfishly hijacked the term “god” to refer to their concept of God). I prefer to label myself a naturalistic pantheist, as I believe nature, energy, and the universe to be synonymous with God. Pantheism is the belief that everything is god, in contradistinction to the belief that god is everything.

By: dog

dog — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:50:03 +0000

Jeff, if you "find the Bible God extremely difficult to dismiss", and are happy to get a different perspective that challenges your beliefs from a top biblical scholar, this book is a good place to start. Dismissing the Bible God is as easy as dismissing the Bible, and when you look at its historical origins, that's not too hard to do at the end of the day. You also say, "All of the prevailing evidence suggests to me that He indeed must be Who He says He is." That's a very bold claim an it would be great if you could share a couple of examples of the evidence you speak of.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:58:42 +0000

Your comments and obvious ignorance not withstanding, Creationists deny none of the fossil record, and in fact believe it is some of the strongest scientific evidence supporting the Creationist construct. Unlike Tim (above) I find the Bible God extremely difficult to dismiss. All of the prevailing evidence suggests to me that He indeed must be Who He says He is. In over forty years of dialoguing with Atheists I have found scant few who know anything substantial about the fields of historic and scientific apologetics. They argue largely from ignorance, consider themselves “brights,” and altogether dismiss anyone who disagrees with them. They prefer laughter and ridicule to rationale discourse, although most of them refer to themselves as rationalists. Yet, according to both educational level and IQ I am “brighter” than most of them and have come to a diametrically opposite position.
The good news remains that Jesus Christ is a far better Savior than we are sinners.

By: Tim

Tim — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:41:46 +0000

Also, on evolution… What if “god” was simply a mathematical entity that defines probability? Electrons behaves differently when simply observed by a human being. (CERN Laboratories, Europe). So truthfully if this higher power defines probability, it also affects the Boolean style in which nature proceeds itself.

Too bad we can never know. We are bound by our perception. We can only look so far into the past. We only know how to analyze cause and effect as we have been effected by it. What caused not only our physical interacting universe, but the existence of probability in the first place? Most likely our physical universe cannot have a physical cause. I cant conclude though, as Im biased by my perception. It’s far to easy to conclude against a religious god, but try to conclude against a simply spiritual god devoid of name, gender, or any other cultural quality. You will find that you were an agnostic all along and you didnt even know it. A – Without Gnosia – Knowldge. Again, email me when you have real knowledge supporting your claims tpr68@aim.com. Thank you for reading.

By: Tim

Tim — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:32:40 +0000

I laugh at both atheists, and true believers. No human being has objective evidence proving either case. Everyone is AGNOSTIC, whether they like it or not. No matter how intelligent you attempt to portray yourselves with this pretentious bullshit you will never know the answers until you die.. if there are answers at all that is. Also, most of you morons generally attack a cultural depiction of god. (talk about intrinsic reasoning pfft). From what I have read thus far (and I’m not catholic or “religious” for that matter) not a single one of you has actual knowledge about how the catholic church functions in its theology or catechism. Atheists are just as idiotic as Believers. Both assume they have knowledge of the divine or lack thereof. Proving cultural religion is flawed.. doesn’t disprove the possibility of higher knowledge. Let me know when someone has proof in a quantum mech. method (assuming you can even grasp the time, space, and probability concepts). I’m sure Schrodinger would LOVE to know what you know. Until then think before you perpetuate a fallacy encouraged by your social community (with little substantiating evidence i might add). Anyways enjoy the bubble your reason is bound to. if you want a good debate (tpr68@aim.com).. Think deeper. Think for yourself. Most of all, Think alone and be honest with your conclusions. Thinking with emotions is ok as it is all part of being human, but do not allow your emotions to cloud your better judgment. Have a good day.